ZitierenOder Wolverines Gastauftritt in damals noch X-Force.
What´s the Doop?
Sie kennen sich ja schon sehr lange... (siehe Wolverine/Doop-Special!)
Oder Wolverines Gastauftritt in damals noch X-Force.
@Bendrix: Da stach Wolvie ja auch schon ins Grüne! Ich sag´ nur : Greener Forces...Zitat von Santo
Auch die # 22 ist schon raus...schön für die Fans!
Bisher lieg ich gut im Rennen.
scheine ja ne feine JLA/Avengers verarsche zu werden wenn man sich so die inhaltsangabe durchliest
Again and again: What´s Doop?
Nur scheinbar...doch zum Thema X-Statix/Avengers gibt´s speziell im "Marvel Fanpage"-Forum einen Thread. Eigentliches zentrales Thema ist aber Doop, b.z.w. Doop´s Hirn! Bereits X-Force #123, eine NUFF SAID-Ausgabe ohne Text, hatte dieses Thema schon aufgegriffen. Und um Doop´s Herkunft ging´s teilweise auch schon im Wolverine/Doop-Special. Nun aber scheint sich das Thema zu vertiefen. Und ich hoffe, dass auch hier endlich eine Debatte darüber zustande kommt.scheine ja ne feine JLA/Avengers verarsche zu werden wenn man sich so die inhaltsangabe durchliest
In an interview with DJ Kirkbride at Taste Like Chicken, Mike Allred has confirmed the ending of the controversial title, X-Statix, published by Marvel Comics.
“We’re wrapping up X-Statix. We want to go out with a bang, and I don’t know what’s ever going to be bigger than The Avengers arc, which starts this month.”
When asked to clarify if the series was continuing without the creative tream or if it was indeed ending, Allred confirmed the closing of the title.
“Peter, Axel [Alonso, the editor], and I... you know, Marvel has always kind of regarded it as a creator-owned X-Men, although it’s not creator-owned, truth be told. But we’ve always controlled, with one horrible exception, which was the Princess Diana story.”
Fans will recall that X-Statix began as the new X-Force, dividing fans of the classic X-force with fans of Peter Milligan and Allred and the new team of mutants before being revamped as it’s own entity (see ‘X-FORCE GOES X-STATIX’). Stay tuned to ComiX-fan for more details as they become available.
Quelle:XFan
"Kurz gesagt X-Men--
Mein Sohn ist ein GOTT!!"
http://newsarama.com/forums/showthre...threadid=12590
Ich finde die Entscheidung von Allred/Milligan gut. Alles kann man sich nicht gefallen lassen!
Was genau habe sie sich nicht gefallen lassen?
Lese den Artikel!
Hab ich. Und jetzt kommst du.
“Peter, Axel [Alonso, the editor], and I... you know, Marvel has always kind of regarded it as a creator-owned X-Men, although it’s not creator-owned, truth be told. But we’ve always controlled, with one horrible exception, which was the Princess Diana story.”
@Bendrix: Allred sagt zwar X-Statix sei nicht "creator-owned". Trotzdem hatte das X-Statix-Team aber immer die Kontolle. Dann erwähnt er die Diana-Story...und wirkt dabei sehr angepisst. Und das war wohl auch der Grund, die Serie aufzugeben. Ich schätze mal auch Milligan schliesst sich dem an. Noch gibt es dafür aber keine klare Ansage, aber imo ist es so gut wie sicher.
Wem würde aber X-Statix ohne Allred und Milligan gefallen?
?? Naja, in dem Interview erzählt MA aber dann weiter, wie hart sie gearbeitet haben, um das ganze umzustricken & das er AktionärInnen verdächtigt, das ganze boykottiert zu haben.
Ich glaube doch eher, das gerade MA wieder an seinen eigenen Sachen arbeiten wollte und hofft, daß ca. 3 Jahre als company-whore reichen, genug LeserInnen auf ihn aufmerksam gemacht zu haben.
Realität ist ein absurdes Konstrukt Fantasie-loser Menschen.
Electric Slim and the Factory Hen
Sicher wollte Allred wieder was Eigenes und andere Sachen machen. Von VERTICAL hat er ja fast genauso geschwärmt wie ich hier im Forum!
Was aber (und ich möchte keinen nötigen!) hält der Herr Snow eigentlich von X-Statix vs Avengers und was sagt er zu der Origin von Doop? NOCH gibt´s ja die X-Statix und so lange (zumindest) kann man ja auch drüber reden!
Und, ein kleines Trostpflaster, die "Nachfolge" wird schon vorbereitet. Mein eigener Comic geht in die Abschluß-Phase und würde mit Sicherheit auch einem Mike Allred Spaß machen.
Richtig. Daher fällt es mir doch sehr schwer das Ende von X-Statix als Protest gegen die Einmischung bei der Diana-Story zu sehen. Die Geschichte umzustricken, noch 2 Storylines dranzuhängen und dann bei schlechten Verkaufszahlen das Handtuch zu schmeißen ist bei mir kein Anzeichen dafür sich "nicht alles Gefallen zu lassen".Aber hätte man ihnen bei der Prinzessin nicht so reingefurzt und vor allem: Ware X-Statix ein größerer Hit geworden... hätte auch ein Mike Allred weiter die Lege-Henne für Marvel gegeben.
Das meine ich übrigens den beiden Herren gegenüber völlig wertfrei und ist nur ein Komentar zu deiner Interpretation des Interviews.
Däumchen hoch!
Es kommen meistens mehrere Komponenten ins Spiel, darum sehe ich in meiner vorherigen Aussage keinen Wiederspruch! ALLES KANN MAN SICH NICHT GEFALLEN LASSEN mein lieber Bendrix!
Wie gefielen DIR denn die letzten beiden X-Statix-Hefte? Was sagst DU denn zur Doop-Origin? Alles Dinge auf die hier anscheinend niemand eingehen will. WIE SCHAAAAAAAAAAAADE!
Ich find die beiden letzten Hefte großartig. Das beste seit der Storyline die mit Eddies Tod endete. Tolle Dialoge, die Avenger werden (in meinen Augen) nicht, wie befürchtet, lächerlich gemacht. Oder zumindest nicht lächerlicher als die Stars der Serie.
Doops Origin ist mir eigentlich egal. So wie es sich andeutet ist es jedenfalls witzig und ich hab zumindest nicht mit gerechnet.
Großartig ist X-Statix momentan in der Tat! Imo das Allerbeste das Marvel momentan aufzubieten hat. Umso mehr wundert mich die eher bescheidene Resonanz zu dem Thema hier.
Ich denke allerdings nicht, dass Doop´s Origin egal oder unwichtig ist. Im Gegenteil: Es könnte der Schlüssel zu X-Statix sein und dem Ganzen ein abgerundetes Ende geben! Doch das sind meine Gedanken dazu und ich hätte hier gern mal was von anderen Fans dazu gehört. Angeschnitten habe ich dieses Thema ja nun oft genug.
Doops Origin ist MIR egal. Wie auch immer er ist, ich nehm da was kommt und kann mir alles vorstellen. Soll heißen, bleibt er ewig nur angedeutet und nebulös, kann ich mit Leben. Alien, Mutant, oder das bereits Angedeutete, alles fein für mich.
X-Statix ist scheinbar auch für mich das beste was Marvel zu bieten hat da es die einzige Marvel-Serie ist die ich lese obwohl ich nicht schon seit meiner Kindheit an den Charakteren hänge. Das soll schon was heißen.
X-Statix Vol. 2: Good Guys & Bad Guys hat mich wunderbar durch die eher trockene und maue Zeit des X-Übergangs gebracht.
Moons of Venus, da muß ich Santo Recht geben, war mässig. Wie auch schon bei "Good Omens" hatte ich das Gefühl, das Milligan keine rechte Ahnung hatte wie der die einzelnen Charaktermomente wie Charakterisierung und "Pop Culture Reference of the Week" in eine fortlaufenden Handlung einbinden sollte. Der Handlungsstrang A mit der Geschichte um Bad Guy sowie das Dimensionsprojekt wirken langweillig und uninspiriert wogegen Handlungsstrang B mit der Beziehung von Guy und Venus einfach nur brilliert, spannend und sehr unterhaltsam ist. Ich denke, das deswegen darauf die beiden Einzelhefte um The Movie und U-Go Girl von ihm gemacht wurden. Keine übergreifende Handlung und er kann sich dadurch einzig und allein um die Figuren kümmern. Und er macht das sehr gut,die Hefte 9 und 10 gehören zu dem Bestem was ich bis jetzt bei X-Statix gelesen habe. Wolverine/doop war nonsense Grütze mit Buddy Movie/ Feel Good Attitüde. Allein die grafische und charakterliche Zeichnung Wolverines war ein kleiner Lichtblick, da ja leider schon der beste Satz hier schon gespoilert wurde von Santo.
Mich graust es ein wenig davor, das im nächsten Trade "Back from the Dead" mit der Ex-DI Story wieder ein fortlaufender Handlungsbogen geschlagen wird.
"Use the Force of Others!"
- Jedi Bendu
Kurze Zwischenfrage von einem (Noch-)Nicht X-Statix-Leser:
Schlagt ihr das Tpb Vol. 1 zum Einstieg ein, oder kann man sich die Hefte sparen und mit Vol. 2 beginnen? (Und bitte keinen Verweis darauf, dass man bei einer unbekannten Serie tunlichst mit Heft 1 beginnen müsse.)
Kauf es am besten von Anfang an, da doch einiges von den Charas zu Anfang verraten wird.
So, das Cover zur #26:
http://www.newsarama.com/Creator_Own...TATX026Cov.jpg
Das Cover der letzten Ausgabe und kein Vivsector? Hab' ich was verpasst?
Und ein bißchen was über Allreds weitere Prjekte:
ALLRED'S PASSION: MIKE ALLRED ON THE GOLDEN PLATES
by Chris Arrant
Mike Allred has done many things in life. So much, in fact, that some might call him a ?Renaissance man?. A quick look as his resume reveals work as an artist, writer, film-maker, actor, musician, producer and publisher. With successful runs on Marvel?s X-Statix and X-Force, as well as his own titles Madman and The Atomics, Allred has established himself a place in comics with his timeless style and vibrant, kinetic energy. This fall it looks like he?s adding another occupation to his repertoire: missionary.
Well, maybe that?s over-stepping, but not by much. The next project on the horizon for cartoonist Mike Allred is The Golden Plates: The Shape of All Things. It is an adaptation of The Book of Mormon, and is scheduled to come out in October from his own AAA Pop Comics. Before any misconceptions are formulated about the material, it?s probably best to have the creator himself explain why he?s working on such an epic project.
?I've contemplated it off and on since my career took off,? Allred explained. ?In fact, I drew one of the Three Nephites [from the Book of Mormon] in Madman Adventures #3 back in 1994. Those in the know got a kick out of it, even though I've since felt it probably wasn't an appropriate thing to have done.
?I hesitate to explain exactly what happened to commit me to actually doing this; something profound and unspeakable. I know perceptions and misperceptions are already buzzing like crazy based on one simple announcement. And I'm not sure I want to add to any misperceptions. Too many people already think I'm crazy. Simply put-- I have to do this. The images are in my head; almost as if I saw all these monumental events happen right in front of me. I've never been more alive with drawing anything in my life."
According to the website for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The Book of Mormon is a companion book to the Old and New Testaments found in the Christian Bible. It has been translated in 66 languages, and printed copies have totaled nearly 116 million.
?It's a 1000 year record of people who journeyed from Jerusalem 600 years B.C. to Central America and the amazing events generation to generation kept and written on plates of gold counting down to the appearance of the resurrected Christ - in the New Testament, Christ told his apostles of ?other sheep not of this fold? who he would visit - and ultimately an entire people's destruction 400 AD--But not before the last keeper of the Golden Plates buried them under a rock in a mountain.?
According to records, Joseph Smith discovered these scriptures in 1823 and published his English translation in 1830. Since then, this publication has prompted the forming of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, which studies the Book of Mormon hand-in-hand with the Bible.
But don?t let the religious and historical aspects of this book turn you away. This is works as a stand-alone tale that is rich with action, suspense and drama. When Allred originally announced this on his message board, he described it succinctly.
?Think ?It?s A Wonderful Life meets Conan the Barbarian?!? Allred exclaimed. ?There's no other book that is so rich with adventure, action, romance, courage, beauty, and spiritual enlightenment; at least, none that I'm aware of. At the very least it's a phenomenal story rich with visual power. So, if I pull it off. It'll be the most significant thing I'll ever be a part of.?
But some might worry about adapting a religious document such as this, which is bound to have its detractors. Prior to the release of the film The Passion of the Christ, there was many public outcries against the film makers for even attempting to re-tell such a revered story. And how will the fans and the comic industry-at-large respond to this?
?Good question. I can't worry about that, I guess,? Allred said. ?Jack Kirby's work was full of religious context from Thor to Galactus to The New Gods. We all can relate to Heroism as comic book fans. All I ask is for open minds to experience what I'm doing for themselves. Enjoy it as a super cool graphic novel. If it rings true then go to the source and go from there. We all come to our own spiritual truths. I'm simply sharing mine.?
Conversely, this is an ideal resource for those in the Mormon community as another means of relating their scriptures. With churches all across the United States and the world, Allred?s work on The Book of Plates seems to have un-paralleled uses for Mormons in their work, especially with, but not limited to children. Mormons are called by their faith to spend at least a year doing mission work, spreading their faith (the LDS is one of, if not the fastest growing branch of Christianity in the world), and could easily see Allred?s work as a tool in that regard.
?Absolutely. Use it as a tool to make The Book Of Mormon itself more accessible," says Allred. ?My heart's in the right place. I love this book like no other and have every intention of doing it justice. I hope [the Mormon community] embraces it.?
?But this won't be a dry Classics Illustrated adaptation or I wouldn't do it,? Allred forewarned. ?And let's be clear, there are bloody, bloody events depicted here. That's my biggest struggle at this point. Where is the line between authenticity and good taste? It may not be right to primer young kids with what I'm doing. I have well respected sounding boards with which I'm leaning on to make this everything it can and should be in addition to all my own decade's worth of research.?
Mike Allred has been working full-time in the comic book industry since for 14 years and in that time he was worked with Slave Labor, Oni Press, DC Comics and most recently, Marvel. He has spent the past several years as artist on the off-beat X-title, X-Statix, written by Peter Milligan. It was really announced, however, at recent convention appearance in Barcelona, Spain, by Mike, that the X-Statix was ending at issue #26. Mike Allred and Peter Milligan were the creators of the entire X-Statix run. With the many collaborators that Allred has worked with over the years, he was quite fond of his work with Milligan.
?I'm really proud of our collaboration. On my part I'm still not sure if I portrayed the violence correctly. I feel it needs to be felt," Allred explained. ?I don't want to exploit violence but it's all about context. That's a tough balance. Over all I think we made our point and said what we wanted to say. I might adjust some of the tone in retrospect--polish here and there. The Princess Diana thing stung real badly. No one will ever know what that was going to be. I've said it before and I'll say it again--our intentions were respectful, fun and affectionate. But it became something else and ultimately was the beginning of the end. That was real tough for me.?
And during Mike Allred?s run on X-Statix, he had several of his friends help not just in the art department, but in inspiration and motivation.
?I have to thank Philip [Bond], Shane [Glines], [J.] Bone, and Nick [Craine] for backing me up with their nifty inking. I might've popped without their back-up. And Darwyn Cooke who has a way of making me feel like I'm a way better artist than I really am. I might as well thank Joey [Quesada], Axel [Alonso], and, of course, Peter [Milligan] while I'm at it. Love everyone on the team, John, Jenny--everyone. What a great ride. What an opportunity! As a fan of Marvel Comics it was such a huge kick to create our own characters that ultimately went head to head with Marvel icons like Iron Man and Captain America. I'd love to work with all those folks again; real and imaginary.?
During Allred?s stint on the X-Statix and X-Force, there were many memorable moments with the characters Milligan and Allred created. Several stand out in the minds of its fans, and Allred has several of his own. ?Not the Princess Di stuff. Heh Heh, ? Allred joked. ?I dug how it all kicked off: the intro of Guy Smith and his budding romance with Edie, then loving again with Venus. Tike's attitude was always right on. What a great character. There's so much. I loved the quiet moments. I truly loved the fill-in issues where we hand-picked the artists. I think Paul Pope's issue is vastly under-rated; so much classic work from everyone.?
And with the critical success of the X-Statix, the creative team of Milligan and Allred were fueled even more in their collaboration. With the end of X-Statix drawing near, there has already been speculation not only ?if? they?re going to work together, but ?when?. ?There?s nothing planned? yet, " Allred said. "But it's what we kept talking about when we were in Barcelona last week. It'll happen.?
And comics aren?t the only thing that Mike Allred is working on. He?s also made his own movie, Astroque, and has worked on an adaptation of an early Madman story arc, G-Men from Hell (released in 2000). Currently in pre-production is the movie adaptation of Mike Allred?s Madman, to be directed by Robert Rodriguez, who is currently working on an adaptation of Frank Miller?s Sin City. But Robert Rodriguez?s involvement with the Madman movie pre-dates his interest in Sin City, but don?t think that means it won?t get made.
?This is always delicate since there are potentially so many naked toes that can be stepped on. More often than not it's best to keep quiet on these things in order to let them proceed correctly,? Allred explained. ?Having said that, Robert has made a multi-picture deal with Miramax/ Dimension and Madman is a part of that. In fact, Robert convinced them that the best way to make a comic book movie is to have the creators co-direct the films. Frank [Miller] is way ahead of me on every level and it should surprise no one that my little comic book project would take a back seat to his. In addition, Frank wrote his screenplay years and years ago but turned back to comics when the situation didn't sit right and turned his back on Hollywood. I actually hooked Robert up with Frank and Bob Schreck who helped convince Frank that Robert is a great guy and could be trusted to make a Sin City film the way Frank would want with him co-directing. I'd do anything for Robert and his wife Elizabeth. They've done more for us than I could ever say.?
?So, at this time George Huang, a long time friend of Robert's and writer-director of the indy hit Swimming With Sharks is writing the Madman treatment based on the outline Robert and I put together. So, when that's approved we kick into the screenplay and if approved shoot the movie. We already have our Frank "Madman" Einstein; He?s star of 2003?s biggest money maker. I'm pretty sure it was the biggest box office flick (that should get a few tongues wagging). So, it either happens or it doesn't. It seems to me this is just gonna be one of those projects that just take a long time to hit the big screen. Keep in mind I was first approached about making a low-budget Madman movie right out of the gate in 1992. It should be obvious why I stopped holding my breath. But when I'm called on--just try to hold me back!?
On the comics front of Madman, Allred plans to release a new series to coincide with the release of the movie. While Allred was hesitant to reveal the specifics on this new series, he did confirm that not only would it have the continuing adventures of Madman, but also the cast of The Atomics, including Flem, Astroman, Metal Man, It Girl, Mr. Gum, Cool Cat, The Slug, Spaceman, Black Crystal, Lava Lass and others.
In addition to the The Golden Plates, the Madman movie and comic series, Allred has yet another book up his sleeve. For Allred fans, they seem to be getting what they want... in spades.
?Solo is a DC series where each issue of 45 pages of story and art are done by a single artist.? Allred explains.? My Solo issue will consist of Batman A-Go-Go, One hour with Hourman, A New Gods short - with Orion, Lightray and Mister Miracle, Doom Patrol vs. Teen Titans and a climactic blow out with virtually every DC character I've ever wanted to draw. And I'm collaborating on a couple of the stories with my Big Brother Lee ?award-winning sci-fi author? Allred who hooked me up to comics in the first place. It's Groovin'!?
Another project that Allred?s name has been attached to in various places is a mini-series for DC?s Metal Men with Evan Dorkin. Allred was quick to gush about the project, and how something like this came about. ?My longtime pal, Bob Schreck, called me up and asked if I'd like to do a six-issue Metal Men series with Evan Dorkin. Soz I said, ?Are ya nuts?? I said, ?of course I would,? I said. That's what I said. Anyhoo, I'd since drawn one issue while working on all of the above. Too slow I'm afraid. And so it's currently off the schedule. I hope to get back to it, but ultimately it's a good thing. Now all I have to focus on is finishing Solo and making The Golden Plates everything it should be. Until then everything else will just have to take a back seat.?
For Allred, he?s in the midst of the biggest wave of inspiration he?s had since Red Rocket 7, an earlier project that incorporated comics, film and music. They say you have to strike when the iron is hot, and in Mike?s case, it almost seems overwhelming.
Almost.
?My blood is pumping faster. My hands are feeling tingly,? Allred said. ?I have to be pulled off the drawing table. I just love so much what I'm doing right now. Part of it has to do with working with one of the comic book biz's best writers for so long and be let loose on my own path again--making all creative decisions again after learning so very much from working with Axel [Alonso] and Peter [Milligan]. Also, I'm now starting with Mark Chiarello on Solo, and Darwyn Cooke will tell you what a blessing that is; clicking with my brother, Lee, who sat with me on the lawn drawing our own comics when we were kiddies and now doing it with him for real.?
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Hm, ich denke ich werde X-Force wohl dann aus dem Programm kicken. Die Serie spricht mich ohnehin immer weniger an. Ich würde vielleicht weiterlesen, wenn ein Texter wie Warren Ellis die Serie übernehmen würde, aber das glaube ich nicht.
Hmmm, hätte gedacht dass zum Schluß kein einziges Mitglied der X-Statix überlebt....
Allred zeichnet das "Buch der Mormonen"? Hallelujah, im Alter werden bekanntlich viele Leute etwas seltsam. Auf seine DC-Projekte BATMAN A GO GO, NEW GODS und METAL MEN freue ich mich sehr!
Und schön, dass er wieder mit den ATOMICS anfängt...ein gutes Trostpflaster für X-STATIX.
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